Response to "A Proposal for Flexion and Extension Signs"
Submitted by Ann Hutchinson Guest – May 4, 2006
I totally understand your logic, the only thing is that you lose the 'any' element.
Your Ex. 2a-2f give all three possibilities at the same time, rather like 'three-dimensional' flexion or extension.
Would you put the 'any' sign under these indications to give them that missing information?
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Monday, January 25, 2010
A Proposal for Flexion and Extension Signs
A Proposal for Flexion and Extension Signs
Submitted by Charlotte Wile – April 24, 2006
Ex. 1a-f below show the established indications for flexion and extension. The indications for flexion can be interpreted as contracting, folding, or joining. However, they only contain the signs for contracting and folding (and an ad lib. sign). Likewise, the indications for extension can be interpreted as elongating, unfolding, and separating, but they only contain the signs for elongating and unfolding (and an ad lib. sign).
I think the signs would be clearer if they included all variables. For example, the signs for flexion could contain the signs for contracting, folding, and joining, as in Ex. 2a-c. The signs for extension could contain the signs for elongating, unfolding, and separating, as in Ex. 1d-f.
Submitted by Charlotte Wile – April 24, 2006
Ex. 1a-f below show the established indications for flexion and extension. The indications for flexion can be interpreted as contracting, folding, or joining. However, they only contain the signs for contracting and folding (and an ad lib. sign). Likewise, the indications for extension can be interpreted as elongating, unfolding, and separating, but they only contain the signs for elongating and unfolding (and an ad lib. sign).
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I think the signs would be clearer if they included all variables. For example, the signs for flexion could contain the signs for contracting, folding, and joining, as in Ex. 2a-c. The signs for extension could contain the signs for elongating, unfolding, and separating, as in Ex. 1d-f.
Generic Flexion and Extension Indications
Generic Flexion and Extension Indications
Submitted by Tina Curran, Ann Hutchinson Guest, and Charlotte Wile – January 25, 2005
In Guest, Your Move, 1995 (p. 96) all the signs for "any form of flexion" or "any form of extension" state an amount, as shown here in Ex. 1a-d.
Indications that leave open both the form and degree of the flexion or extension have not been established.
We have experimented with using a vertical ad lib. sign, centered on the symbols, placed where the dots would go if we were using the 6/6 scale. Using this idea, Ex. 2a represents “any degree of any form of flexion,” and 2b represents “any degree of any form of extension.” Unfortunately, when both vertical and ad lib. signs are included, these indications seem cumbersome and too spidery.
The symbols look better if the vertical ad lib. sign is drawn small. Our first thought was to place the small sign in the top end of the flexion or extension sign, as in Ex. 3a and 3b. However, in some cases this might be confusing when a duration line is added. For instance, unless the symbols are drawn very carefully, the indication for any degree of flexion with an extended duration (Ex. 3c) might be mistaken for a quick, small flexion followed by a separate action (Ex. 3d).
This problem is solved if the small ad lib. sign is placed in the bottom end of the flexion or extension sign (Ex. 3e and 3f). Then, it would be clear, for instance, that Ex. 3g indicates a flexion (any degree), and Ex. 3h indicates a flexion (any degree) followed by a separate action.
Submitted by Tina Curran, Ann Hutchinson Guest, and Charlotte Wile – January 25, 2005
In Guest, Your Move, 1995 (p. 96) all the signs for "any form of flexion" or "any form of extension" state an amount, as shown here in Ex. 1a-d.
Indications that leave open both the form and degree of the flexion or extension have not been established.
We have experimented with using a vertical ad lib. sign, centered on the symbols, placed where the dots would go if we were using the 6/6 scale. Using this idea, Ex. 2a represents “any degree of any form of flexion,” and 2b represents “any degree of any form of extension.” Unfortunately, when both vertical and ad lib. signs are included, these indications seem cumbersome and too spidery.
This problem is solved if the small ad lib. sign is placed in the bottom end of the flexion or extension sign (Ex. 3e and 3f). Then, it would be clear, for instance, that Ex. 3g indicates a flexion (any degree), and Ex. 3h indicates a flexion (any degree) followed by a separate action.
Accordingly, our preferred method for indicating variations of “any form of flexion” or “any form of extension” is as follows:
New Items for DNB Theory Bulletin Board
New Items for DNB Theory Bulletin Board
Submitted by Ann Hutchinson Guest – January 10, 2003
[Ann Hutchinson Guest says the following items need to be discussed for the revision of the LN textbook. For further items see Guest, Body Portions thread, January 10, 2003; Guest, Spatial Locations and Directions thread, January 10, 2003].
ELBOW FLEX WITH CHANGE OF DIRECTION
Starting with the arm out to the side, Ex. 1a shows the elbow folding two degrees and moving to place low. Are these two separate movements or does the elbow move to place low and fold at the same time?
In the case of 1b we agree the chest contracts as it moves forward high. In 1c it is a fold instead of a contraction. Does this work similarly regarding timing? Or is it seen as two separate movements - folding first, then inclining?
Ex. 1b has a long established understanding that the X is a pre-sign to the direction symbol and not a separate action. Does this equally apply to the folding sign? Does the folding sign need to be written adjacent and linked to the body columns, as in 1d? This question has come up with 1a. To show simultaneous movement do we need to bow the two indications, as in 1e?
THICKNESS OF MEETING LINE
In the Calaban examples for showing over which side of the body a contraction occurs, I had asked for slightly thicker lines for the meeting lines, as in 2a. I think they are more easily distinguished. The thicker line also stems from the initial objections put forward that use of the meeting line for focal point orientation, as in 2b, might be confused with a repeat sign. By making the line and the focal point dot thick enough, 2c, this concern disappeared. In 2d the meeting line was mistaken for the indication of lower arm.
One of the advantages of our system is that thickness of line has not conveyed a difference in meaning. This may be a rare exception.
THE TERM ‘BENDING’
In the 1970 Labanotation textbook the term ‘bending’ was used in the chapter on flexion and extension. This word is used in the studio and classroom in a very general way, any form of flexion is called bending; in itself it has no specific meaning. For the revised textbook we are trying to be more specific so that each term relates directly to the form of movement being described. I have therefore avoided using ‘bending’ and have consistently used ‘contracting’, ‘folding’, ‘curving’. ‘Folding’ is being applied to the single joint, while ‘curving’ seems more appropriate for multi-jointed parts. For the spine, ‘arching’ can be used, particularly in the backward direction.
It would be good to hear the general consensus on this. Now is the time to clarify these questions.
Submitted by Ann Hutchinson Guest – January 10, 2003
[Ann Hutchinson Guest says the following items need to be discussed for the revision of the LN textbook. For further items see Guest, Body Portions thread, January 10, 2003; Guest, Spatial Locations and Directions thread, January 10, 2003].
ELBOW FLEX WITH CHANGE OF DIRECTION
Starting with the arm out to the side, Ex. 1a shows the elbow folding two degrees and moving to place low. Are these two separate movements or does the elbow move to place low and fold at the same time?
In the case of 1b we agree the chest contracts as it moves forward high. In 1c it is a fold instead of a contraction. Does this work similarly regarding timing? Or is it seen as two separate movements - folding first, then inclining?
Ex. 1b has a long established understanding that the X is a pre-sign to the direction symbol and not a separate action. Does this equally apply to the folding sign? Does the folding sign need to be written adjacent and linked to the body columns, as in 1d? This question has come up with 1a. To show simultaneous movement do we need to bow the two indications, as in 1e?
In the Calaban examples for showing over which side of the body a contraction occurs, I had asked for slightly thicker lines for the meeting lines, as in 2a. I think they are more easily distinguished. The thicker line also stems from the initial objections put forward that use of the meeting line for focal point orientation, as in 2b, might be confused with a repeat sign. By making the line and the focal point dot thick enough, 2c, this concern disappeared. In 2d the meeting line was mistaken for the indication of lower arm.
One of the advantages of our system is that thickness of line has not conveyed a difference in meaning. This may be a rare exception.
In the 1970 Labanotation textbook the term ‘bending’ was used in the chapter on flexion and extension. This word is used in the studio and classroom in a very general way, any form of flexion is called bending; in itself it has no specific meaning. For the revised textbook we are trying to be more specific so that each term relates directly to the form of movement being described. I have therefore avoided using ‘bending’ and have consistently used ‘contracting’, ‘folding’, ‘curving’. ‘Folding’ is being applied to the single joint, while ‘curving’ seems more appropriate for multi-jointed parts. For the spine, ‘arching’ can be used, particularly in the backward direction.
It would be good to hear the general consensus on this. Now is the time to clarify these questions.
A Change of Mind
A Change of Mind
Submitted by Ray Cook - November 9, 2001
I had been using the sign in Ex. 1 below to mean "any degree of flexion" (see the previous posting in this thread). On rethinking, I meant "the necessary" amount. There is a difference in meaning between "any" and "necessary." For example: When a man lifts a woman by the waist, the flexing is not "any flexion," but the required or necessary degree.
Submitted by Ray Cook - November 9, 2001
I had been using the sign in Ex. 1 below to mean "any degree of flexion" (see the previous posting in this thread). On rethinking, I meant "the necessary" amount. There is a difference in meaning between "any" and "necessary." For example: When a man lifts a woman by the waist, the flexing is not "any flexion," but the required or necessary degree.
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